It's quite simple. Piker espouses overt, hateful, eliminationist bigotry. He might dress it up nicer than Fuentes or David Duke (though his anti-Americanism is more explicit), but it's the same thing - a violation of our universal moral TABOOS.
People like Piker must be ostracized not only out of our mainstream politics (the "big tents") but also out of polite society. This is the only way to uphold these taboos and prevent the hate from becoming normalized and spiraling into violence and anarchy.
This is the playbook we used to marginalize and defeat the KKK, and what we must do today to #MakeTaboosTabooAgain
Yeah he won’t be ostracised and his viewpoints are increasingly mainstream. Until there is a genuine attempt at a compromise with the Palestinians then you will see within 2 electoral cycles sanctions being imposed on Israel.
"Until there is a genuine attempt at a compromise with the Palestinians ".Attempts at that have been made since 1920, since before there were "Palestinians". They have all been rejected by the Arabs.
What "compromise" can possibly be envisioned with those openly, rabidly, unremittingly committed to the extermination of the nation-state of the Jewish People, and its population? Would the negotiation and compromise be on the METHOD of their extermination?
"sanctions being imposed on Israel."
I have no doubt you are right. I base that certainty on 2000 years of Jewish history. Yet we are still here.
"a genuine attempt at a compromise with the Palestinians" !?!? LOL
Maybe you're just not aware of the history of this long conflict, but Israel has tried on multiple occasions across decades to make peace with the Palestinians (just in the recent past were Rabin's Contour-for-Peace in 1995, the 2000 Ehud Barak/Clinton peace offer (95% of the WB and all of Gaza!), then Barak’s offer at Taba and Olmert's famous napkin in 2008—all rejected sans counteroffer).
I know it's hard for Westerners to accept this, but the truth has been stated clearly by every Palestinian leader from Hitler's Mullah Hajj Amin al-Husseini to Arafat and Sinwar etc—they don't want their own state, they want to DESTROY the Jewish state. Here's Arafat:
"We don’t want peace. We want war, victory. Peace for us means the destruction of Israel and nothing else. What you call peace is peace for Israel and the imperialists. For us it is injustice and shame. We will fight until victory. Decades if necessary, generations."
Here's the Hamas Charter:
"The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, 'O Muslim, O servant of God, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.'"
The Palestinians have rejected every single peace offer since 1948, there has never been a Palestinian peace movement or a leader committed to peaceful coexistence, and for decades their policy has been the "Three Nos”—no peace, no recognition, no negotiation.
How can you compromise or make a peace deal with someone who doesn't want peace but who only wants to kill and displace you?
I don't think there will be sanctions. Israel is too important, too much tech. And ICJ will rule Israel isn't committing genocide and so on. I'm more optimistic here. Israel is winning too much and there will be quiet in 5 years. Everyone wants Israeli tech.
Critical views of Israel are indeed becoming mainstream, at least within the political left but also on the right.
However, it is absolutely not mainstream to endorse Hamas/terrorism, the destruction of Israel, the killing or persecution of Jews and Israelis, etc., as Piker does. The vast majority of Americans still believe these views are abhorrent.
Unfortunately, that type of overt, hateful, eliminationist bigotry is indeed becoming more normalized as we fail to punish and ostracize these people out of polite society and our political "big tents" for violating these TABOOS. Thus, my project to draw a moral boundary, to hold the line and #MakeTaboosTabooAgain and excise these bigots from society, as we did to marginalize and defeat the KKK.
Two things: you can’t gatekeep like you once could, and Piker has been interviewed by Ezra Klein and Fuentes by Tucker Carlson so they are already being platformed by major figures.
You can’t clutch your pearls and talk about “overt, hateful, eliminationist bigotry” because the other side genuinely believes that Israel is committing a genocide, or at least ethnic cleansing of non-Jews.
I’m saying this as a person who supports the war in Gaza: you are on a hiding to nothing trying to wind back the clock to 2010.
The fact that they were interviewed is not conclusive of anything except that they are becoming more normalized, certainly not that they are fully normalized (as evidenced by the outrage and the people abandoning the Dems). There is still a chance for society to say this is unacceptable and signal to these podcasters and politicians that they will socially punish those who continue to platform and mainstream these bigots. If the Dems lose elections and there are indicators it's because of their cozying up to Piker, many Dems would pick up on that signal. In fact, I'm sure many are distancing themselves from Piker today not just because they find him morally repugnant, but because they know he'd ruin their careers.
It doesn't matter if they genuinely think Israel committed a genocide. That still does not justify them calling for a genocide against Israelis, and certainly not a call for discrimination and violence against Jews. That's the taboo line that they're not allowed to cross no matter what.
Not only CAN we wind back the clock, not to 2010, to early 2023 when it was unacceptable to express such overt hateful bigotry against Jews or any group, but we MUST. If we don't, that hate becomes normalized. And I know that we can because the vast majority of people find such bigotry unacceptable. We let this norm change while we were asleep. Now we need to wake up and change the norm back. That's how taboos stay taboo. That's how we save humanity.
"the other side genuinely believes that Israel is committing a genocide, or at least ethnic cleansing of non-Jews."
And those that do, do so because that is what they have been inculcated with by the overwhelming majority of the MSM, not because they have objectively examined the facts.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Ezra sees himself as a serious thinker about difficult problems. What is it about Israel that shows his surface level knowledge about something it’s easy for him to educate himself about? Does he not want the opportunity to speak to you or Haviv Rettig Gur? It makes me distrust the wider body of his work.
Nadav needs to write another reply to Ezra klein's most recent podcast "Reckoning with Irael's One-State Reality". In almost 90 minutes of so-called analysis with two very biased authors there is almost no mention of Palestianian responsibilty or agency. Israel is 100% quiilty of every sin. Imagine talking about the state of the West Bank without discussing the role of the Second Intifada.
Really good work, Nadav. The Lebanon chronology is the sharpest rebuttal of Klein's claim that Israel "used the Iran war as an opportunity" — most people simply don't know this, especially Klein's readers.
The world saw Kushner on video admonish Witkoff to stop talking about the existence of reconstruction plans for Gaza prior to October 7th, 2023. You know better than most people that a State that does not acknowledge: UN Charter (Article 2, Paragraph 4), Hague Regulations (1907), and the Fourth Geneva Convention (1949).. views conquered land as free for the taking... This is not just, modern or democratic as the State is collectively punishing an entire people for the bad acts of a few.
commentators like klein and other mainstream dems have seized on the anti israel narrative as a way to get young, left leaning voters onside at low political cost. it costs very little (except, presumably, for jewish people like klein perhaps their dignity) to echo the propaganda, and then they hope leftists will join the more mainstream dem movement and back a mainstream dem candidate in 28 (instead of having another bernie type split). that's the play.
Ever since the UN participation plan was passed in 1947 the diplomatic reality Israel has faced has been very consistent. The UN and much of the nations in the world say that Israel has a right to exist, its Arab neighbors have a right to slaughter any Jew it can find and the Israelis have no right to defend themselves.
The evidence for this description can be found in abundance from 80 years of UN debates and resolutions. It is a tragic history of across border terrorist murders of Israeli civilians, refusal of the UN to condemn such actions, eventual Israeli military response after repeated terrorist incidents and finally, the inevitable UN resolution condemning Israel's response.
As a Jew I find the political and diplomatic hypocrisy of the UN and its member nations galling, couching their pandering appeasement in moral terms. But what I find most shameless is the idiots like Ezra Klein blatantly lying about the cause and effect reality of the Arab/Israeli conflict.
I spent three weeks visiting Israel in the summer of 1969, four days of which were spent at a Kibbutz ten miles south of the Lebanese border. During my days at the kibbutz, we learned that a katyusha rocket fired from Lebanon had landed harmlessly nearby. Terrorist attacks from southern Lebanon against northern Israel are nothing new. They have only gotten worse over the decades of Israel's existence as the world has provided cover for the growing lethality of the terrorist threat to Israel from beyond its northern border.
Within the US, a growing coalition of anti-Israel appeasers consisting primarily of progressives who believe that the world's troubles can be blamed on American imperialism and extreme right-wing isolationists who think American foreign policy is run by a cabal of Jewish conspirators. Certainly, it is legitimate for Americans to debate where American and Israeli interests coincide or diverge, but commentators like Ezra Klein are doing something else. Rather than having an honest debate of the merits of various policy options concerning Israel, they simply tell lies portraying Israel's self-defense as aggression in order to undermine American support for the Jewish state.
To paraphrase Shai Davidai, Ezra Klein hopes to be on the last train to Auschwitz. Piker is a social media entrepreneur. For him, this is a job/grift and a lucrative one at that. For Klein to take him seriously, he’s either a fool or just too attached to his progressive identity and thinks he can use Piker to gain more currency for his abundance agenda.
It is hard for Israelis to hear the term "anti-zionist" but the term dates back to the 1880's with the Jewish labour Bund and the theological and political opposition of the Orthodox Jewish community during the same time. My advice... learn why millions of jewish people around the world are anti-zionist and then critique their ideas... For me, it is political. I read the Peace Now 2006 study titled "Israeli Settlement Building on Private Palestinian Land". That should be enough to convince anyone. Ask yourself, what is liberal, modern and just about a State engaged in stealing land titled to the Palestinians. What is liberal, modern and just about a State that is settling jewish Americans from Hoboken, NJ onto this stolen land and calling it "birthright". What is liberal, modern and democratic about denying Palestinians a state as well as return of or remuneration for their stolen land
Opposing the settlements is not "anti-Zionism". Like, you can strongly oppose Pakistan hiding bin Laden without being anti Pakistan movement and calling for the abolition of Pakistan. "Zionism" is a done deal. It succeeded in 1948. The fact that people call for the destruction of Israel at all is insane. Peace Now is most definitely not an anti-Zionist group.
—what is liberal, modern and just about a State engaged in stealing land titled to the Palestinians.
Israel has tried on multiple occasions to relinquish the WB, first to Jordan as part of a Palestinian/Jordanian state, which Abdullah I was considering until he was murdered by Islamist fanatics (a fate that would also be Sadat's for his crime of making peace with the Zionist entity), and then in multiple peace offers: Rabin's Contour-for-Peace in 1995, the 2000 Ehud Barak/Bill Clinton peace offer—95% of the WB and all of Gaza!—then Barak’s offer at Taba and Olmert's famous napkin in 2008—all rejected sans counteroffer.
The Palestinians have said clearly and repeatedly that they have no interest in their own state, but only in destroying the Jewish state aka "From the River to the Sea". Also, a title deed on disputed territory captured in war is as worthless as the title deeds Russian or Chinese or Cuban aristocrats still held after their countries' revolutions—little more than historical antiques. Remember many millions of people were displaced during and after the world wars of the 20th-century, the only way the Palestinians are different is that they've refused to move on and would rather be 4th-generation refugees stewing in grievance and revenge fantasies.
Also, immediately after the 1947/48 wars Israel offered both "remuneration for their stolen land" as well as accepting a few thousand refugees, but once again these were all predicated on signing a peace treaty and the end of the conflict. It's not Israel that's refused to compromise, but their opponents.
Turning against Israel because of a Peace Now report is like cutting off your parents for a speeding ticket—while knowing the cop who wrote it has hated them for years.
This is the real reason "why millions of jewish people around the world are anti-zionist", they've lived their whole lives in an information ecosystem that broadcasts the worst lies and half-truths about this conflict from people who strip the Palestinians of any agency or responsibility (so they can better be portrayed as helpless victims) and who've already decided that the settler-colonial imperialist apartheid genocidal entity needs to be erased. All this is just more of the slanders and propaganda you're repeating.
Hmm… I was under the impression that many states within the US - a country of which both Piker and Klein are citizens - currently have and apply the death penalty for cases of premeditated murder, especially those with special circumstances.
And I suspect that those states which do not would change their minds pretty quick if those killers were routinely released after a few years to save the lives of hostages kidnapped specifically for this reason.
For the freedom of speech intellectual absolutists I propose the following....
In the spirit of pure intellectual pursuit I am willing to agree to accept an open conversation on anti-zionism as long as we have the same rules applied to an open conversation about sending all Blacks in America back to Africa.
Both are repugnant. Constructing a conversation just to prove to ourselves that we are open to discuss anything disgusting as long as there's self perceived intellectual value and pursuit of the truth is nothing more and self-serving mental masturbation.
Ezra Klein is a complete tool. This is the same person that tried to cancel Sam Harris over bogus claims of support for phrenology. He’s clearly not a serious person or thinker.
It's quite simple. Piker espouses overt, hateful, eliminationist bigotry. He might dress it up nicer than Fuentes or David Duke (though his anti-Americanism is more explicit), but it's the same thing - a violation of our universal moral TABOOS.
People like Piker must be ostracized not only out of our mainstream politics (the "big tents") but also out of polite society. This is the only way to uphold these taboos and prevent the hate from becoming normalized and spiraling into violence and anarchy.
This is the playbook we used to marginalize and defeat the KKK, and what we must do today to #MakeTaboosTabooAgain
Yeah he won’t be ostracised and his viewpoints are increasingly mainstream. Until there is a genuine attempt at a compromise with the Palestinians then you will see within 2 electoral cycles sanctions being imposed on Israel.
"Until there is a genuine attempt at a compromise with the Palestinians ".Attempts at that have been made since 1920, since before there were "Palestinians". They have all been rejected by the Arabs.
What "compromise" can possibly be envisioned with those openly, rabidly, unremittingly committed to the extermination of the nation-state of the Jewish People, and its population? Would the negotiation and compromise be on the METHOD of their extermination?
"sanctions being imposed on Israel."
I have no doubt you are right. I base that certainty on 2000 years of Jewish history. Yet we are still here.
"a genuine attempt at a compromise with the Palestinians" !?!? LOL
Maybe you're just not aware of the history of this long conflict, but Israel has tried on multiple occasions across decades to make peace with the Palestinians (just in the recent past were Rabin's Contour-for-Peace in 1995, the 2000 Ehud Barak/Clinton peace offer (95% of the WB and all of Gaza!), then Barak’s offer at Taba and Olmert's famous napkin in 2008—all rejected sans counteroffer).
I know it's hard for Westerners to accept this, but the truth has been stated clearly by every Palestinian leader from Hitler's Mullah Hajj Amin al-Husseini to Arafat and Sinwar etc—they don't want their own state, they want to DESTROY the Jewish state. Here's Arafat:
"We don’t want peace. We want war, victory. Peace for us means the destruction of Israel and nothing else. What you call peace is peace for Israel and the imperialists. For us it is injustice and shame. We will fight until victory. Decades if necessary, generations."
Here's the Hamas Charter:
"The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, 'O Muslim, O servant of God, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.'"
The Palestinians have rejected every single peace offer since 1948, there has never been a Palestinian peace movement or a leader committed to peaceful coexistence, and for decades their policy has been the "Three Nos”—no peace, no recognition, no negotiation.
How can you compromise or make a peace deal with someone who doesn't want peace but who only wants to kill and displace you?
I don't think there will be sanctions. Israel is too important, too much tech. And ICJ will rule Israel isn't committing genocide and so on. I'm more optimistic here. Israel is winning too much and there will be quiet in 5 years. Everyone wants Israeli tech.
Critical views of Israel are indeed becoming mainstream, at least within the political left but also on the right.
However, it is absolutely not mainstream to endorse Hamas/terrorism, the destruction of Israel, the killing or persecution of Jews and Israelis, etc., as Piker does. The vast majority of Americans still believe these views are abhorrent.
Unfortunately, that type of overt, hateful, eliminationist bigotry is indeed becoming more normalized as we fail to punish and ostracize these people out of polite society and our political "big tents" for violating these TABOOS. Thus, my project to draw a moral boundary, to hold the line and #MakeTaboosTabooAgain and excise these bigots from society, as we did to marginalize and defeat the KKK.
Two things: you can’t gatekeep like you once could, and Piker has been interviewed by Ezra Klein and Fuentes by Tucker Carlson so they are already being platformed by major figures.
You can’t clutch your pearls and talk about “overt, hateful, eliminationist bigotry” because the other side genuinely believes that Israel is committing a genocide, or at least ethnic cleansing of non-Jews.
I’m saying this as a person who supports the war in Gaza: you are on a hiding to nothing trying to wind back the clock to 2010.
The fact that they were interviewed is not conclusive of anything except that they are becoming more normalized, certainly not that they are fully normalized (as evidenced by the outrage and the people abandoning the Dems). There is still a chance for society to say this is unacceptable and signal to these podcasters and politicians that they will socially punish those who continue to platform and mainstream these bigots. If the Dems lose elections and there are indicators it's because of their cozying up to Piker, many Dems would pick up on that signal. In fact, I'm sure many are distancing themselves from Piker today not just because they find him morally repugnant, but because they know he'd ruin their careers.
It doesn't matter if they genuinely think Israel committed a genocide. That still does not justify them calling for a genocide against Israelis, and certainly not a call for discrimination and violence against Jews. That's the taboo line that they're not allowed to cross no matter what.
Not only CAN we wind back the clock, not to 2010, to early 2023 when it was unacceptable to express such overt hateful bigotry against Jews or any group, but we MUST. If we don't, that hate becomes normalized. And I know that we can because the vast majority of people find such bigotry unacceptable. We let this norm change while we were asleep. Now we need to wake up and change the norm back. That's how taboos stay taboo. That's how we save humanity.
"the other side genuinely believes that Israel is committing a genocide, or at least ethnic cleansing of non-Jews."
And those that do, do so because that is what they have been inculcated with by the overwhelming majority of the MSM, not because they have objectively examined the facts.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
ICJ will make the right ruling.
Ezra Klein and his family should spend a month in Kiryat Shmona and then he can have an opinion. A prime example of Luxury beliefs.
The combination of luxury beliefs and suicidal empathy is deadly.
Ezra sees himself as a serious thinker about difficult problems. What is it about Israel that shows his surface level knowledge about something it’s easy for him to educate himself about? Does he not want the opportunity to speak to you or Haviv Rettig Gur? It makes me distrust the wider body of his work.
Yeah he should speak to Nadav Eyal, Haviv Retteg Gur, Einat Wilf, etc.
Nadav needs to write another reply to Ezra klein's most recent podcast "Reckoning with Irael's One-State Reality". In almost 90 minutes of so-called analysis with two very biased authors there is almost no mention of Palestianian responsibilty or agency. Israel is 100% quiilty of every sin. Imagine talking about the state of the West Bank without discussing the role of the Second Intifada.
Or the rejection of the 2000 and 2008 peace offers. One before the intifada and one after.
I hope you send this to Klein and ask him to comment publicly.
I did
Really good work, Nadav. The Lebanon chronology is the sharpest rebuttal of Klein's claim that Israel "used the Iran war as an opportunity" — most people simply don't know this, especially Klein's readers.
The world saw Kushner on video admonish Witkoff to stop talking about the existence of reconstruction plans for Gaza prior to October 7th, 2023. You know better than most people that a State that does not acknowledge: UN Charter (Article 2, Paragraph 4), Hague Regulations (1907), and the Fourth Geneva Convention (1949).. views conquered land as free for the taking... This is not just, modern or democratic as the State is collectively punishing an entire people for the bad acts of a few.
You post is not clear to me.
" a State that does not acknowledge: UN Charter (Article 2, Paragraph 4)"
You mean Iran?
"the Fourth Geneva Convention (1949)"
Which state is not acknowledging what part EXACTLY of the 4th G.C.?
" conquered land as free for the taking."
You mean Jordan? Turkey? Russia. or China? I', confused.
The NYTimes and many of their writers have always been anti Israeli, should not expect a neutral opinion
commentators like klein and other mainstream dems have seized on the anti israel narrative as a way to get young, left leaning voters onside at low political cost. it costs very little (except, presumably, for jewish people like klein perhaps their dignity) to echo the propaganda, and then they hope leftists will join the more mainstream dem movement and back a mainstream dem candidate in 28 (instead of having another bernie type split). that's the play.
Ever since the UN participation plan was passed in 1947 the diplomatic reality Israel has faced has been very consistent. The UN and much of the nations in the world say that Israel has a right to exist, its Arab neighbors have a right to slaughter any Jew it can find and the Israelis have no right to defend themselves.
The evidence for this description can be found in abundance from 80 years of UN debates and resolutions. It is a tragic history of across border terrorist murders of Israeli civilians, refusal of the UN to condemn such actions, eventual Israeli military response after repeated terrorist incidents and finally, the inevitable UN resolution condemning Israel's response.
As a Jew I find the political and diplomatic hypocrisy of the UN and its member nations galling, couching their pandering appeasement in moral terms. But what I find most shameless is the idiots like Ezra Klein blatantly lying about the cause and effect reality of the Arab/Israeli conflict.
I spent three weeks visiting Israel in the summer of 1969, four days of which were spent at a Kibbutz ten miles south of the Lebanese border. During my days at the kibbutz, we learned that a katyusha rocket fired from Lebanon had landed harmlessly nearby. Terrorist attacks from southern Lebanon against northern Israel are nothing new. They have only gotten worse over the decades of Israel's existence as the world has provided cover for the growing lethality of the terrorist threat to Israel from beyond its northern border.
Within the US, a growing coalition of anti-Israel appeasers consisting primarily of progressives who believe that the world's troubles can be blamed on American imperialism and extreme right-wing isolationists who think American foreign policy is run by a cabal of Jewish conspirators. Certainly, it is legitimate for Americans to debate where American and Israeli interests coincide or diverge, but commentators like Ezra Klein are doing something else. Rather than having an honest debate of the merits of various policy options concerning Israel, they simply tell lies portraying Israel's self-defense as aggression in order to undermine American support for the Jewish state.
You hit the nail on the head. All discussions have turned into confirming Pre-determined narratives.
To paraphrase Shai Davidai, Ezra Klein hopes to be on the last train to Auschwitz. Piker is a social media entrepreneur. For him, this is a job/grift and a lucrative one at that. For Klein to take him seriously, he’s either a fool or just too attached to his progressive identity and thinks he can use Piker to gain more currency for his abundance agenda.
It is hard for Israelis to hear the term "anti-zionist" but the term dates back to the 1880's with the Jewish labour Bund and the theological and political opposition of the Orthodox Jewish community during the same time. My advice... learn why millions of jewish people around the world are anti-zionist and then critique their ideas... For me, it is political. I read the Peace Now 2006 study titled "Israeli Settlement Building on Private Palestinian Land". That should be enough to convince anyone. Ask yourself, what is liberal, modern and just about a State engaged in stealing land titled to the Palestinians. What is liberal, modern and just about a State that is settling jewish Americans from Hoboken, NJ onto this stolen land and calling it "birthright". What is liberal, modern and democratic about denying Palestinians a state as well as return of or remuneration for their stolen land
" I read the Peace Now 2006 study titled "Israeli Settlement Building on Private Palestinian Land". That should be enough to convince anyone."
Then you should also read:
https://www.camera.org/article/israeli-court-peace-now-lied-must-pay-now/
Opposing the settlements is not "anti-Zionism". Like, you can strongly oppose Pakistan hiding bin Laden without being anti Pakistan movement and calling for the abolition of Pakistan. "Zionism" is a done deal. It succeeded in 1948. The fact that people call for the destruction of Israel at all is insane. Peace Now is most definitely not an anti-Zionist group.
—what is liberal, modern and just about a State engaged in stealing land titled to the Palestinians.
Israel has tried on multiple occasions to relinquish the WB, first to Jordan as part of a Palestinian/Jordanian state, which Abdullah I was considering until he was murdered by Islamist fanatics (a fate that would also be Sadat's for his crime of making peace with the Zionist entity), and then in multiple peace offers: Rabin's Contour-for-Peace in 1995, the 2000 Ehud Barak/Bill Clinton peace offer—95% of the WB and all of Gaza!—then Barak’s offer at Taba and Olmert's famous napkin in 2008—all rejected sans counteroffer.
The Palestinians have said clearly and repeatedly that they have no interest in their own state, but only in destroying the Jewish state aka "From the River to the Sea". Also, a title deed on disputed territory captured in war is as worthless as the title deeds Russian or Chinese or Cuban aristocrats still held after their countries' revolutions—little more than historical antiques. Remember many millions of people were displaced during and after the world wars of the 20th-century, the only way the Palestinians are different is that they've refused to move on and would rather be 4th-generation refugees stewing in grievance and revenge fantasies.
Also, immediately after the 1947/48 wars Israel offered both "remuneration for their stolen land" as well as accepting a few thousand refugees, but once again these were all predicated on signing a peace treaty and the end of the conflict. It's not Israel that's refused to compromise, but their opponents.
Turning against Israel because of a Peace Now report is like cutting off your parents for a speeding ticket—while knowing the cop who wrote it has hated them for years.
This is the real reason "why millions of jewish people around the world are anti-zionist", they've lived their whole lives in an information ecosystem that broadcasts the worst lies and half-truths about this conflict from people who strip the Palestinians of any agency or responsibility (so they can better be portrayed as helpless victims) and who've already decided that the settler-colonial imperialist apartheid genocidal entity needs to be erased. All this is just more of the slanders and propaganda you're repeating.
Hmm… I was under the impression that many states within the US - a country of which both Piker and Klein are citizens - currently have and apply the death penalty for cases of premeditated murder, especially those with special circumstances.
And I suspect that those states which do not would change their minds pretty quick if those killers were routinely released after a few years to save the lives of hostages kidnapped specifically for this reason.
For the freedom of speech intellectual absolutists I propose the following....
In the spirit of pure intellectual pursuit I am willing to agree to accept an open conversation on anti-zionism as long as we have the same rules applied to an open conversation about sending all Blacks in America back to Africa.
Both are repugnant. Constructing a conversation just to prove to ourselves that we are open to discuss anything disgusting as long as there's self perceived intellectual value and pursuit of the truth is nothing more and self-serving mental masturbation.
Why was a clip showing Jon Favreau from Pod Save America with Piker and not a clip with Ezra Klein.?
Ezra Klein is a complete tool. This is the same person that tried to cancel Sam Harris over bogus claims of support for phrenology. He’s clearly not a serious person or thinker.